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[–]ciscoiv 11 points12 points ago

NYT reports Christie is winning 51% of Latino Vote.

To all of my fellow conservatives who say it can't be done, I hope this is a bit of wake up call. Yes it can be done. It's a matter of being respectful to the community's sensitivities and not just showing up months before election.

Also, it helps not to say stupid things that can be used as sound bites over and over.

[–]_nate_higgers 4 points5 points ago

Does this make Christie the top runner for 2016? Personally I would prefer Rand or Cruz but I think Christie is our best shot at this point. I would take him over Hillary any day. He's moderate enough to win over New Jersey so he might be able to win the independents which is really what the GOP needs to do to win the 2016 election.

[–]TheSecretExitConservative 3 points4 points ago

Eh, McCain and Romney were both pretty moderate - Romney won the independents, even - but they both still lost.

The independents are important, but the base is also needed.

[–]_nate_higgers 1 point2 points ago

That's why I think Christie has a shot. He's moderate enough to win Independents and Conservative enough to get conservatives to show up. That's where we Lost 2012.

[–]Mbkn 3 points4 points ago

I just don't see the base voting for Christie. If they can sit out McCain and Romney for not being republican enough what makes you think Christie would be in their good graces? Their is a large bloc that feels entirely disenfranchised and the Republican party has done nothing to make them feel included but rather a necessary evil. I suspect that they will continue to lose these larger elections until they stop throwing each other under the bus. The tea party for all its faults is not going to go away. If they keep trying to distance themselves they will lose time and time again. You can't flip the bird to that many voters and expect it to come from somewhere else magically.

[–]TheSecretExitConservative 0 points1 point ago

I disagree that Christie is conservative enough, but I guess we'll see in the primaries.

[–]Amoonguss 9 points10 points ago

Yes, because running a moderate republican worked so well the last 2 elections.

[–]blatherskiterReagan Conservative 6 points7 points ago

It also worked well with Bob Dole, George Bush Sr., and Gerald Ford.

[–]NakedAndBehindYou 0 points1 point ago

Running a moderate isn't going to work if he fails to inspire the conservative base to show up and vote.

[–]FisterR0b0t0 3 points4 points ago

The demographics aren't shifting in favor of the conservative base. You may pick them up, but you lose swing voters in the process and energize the flakier democratic base.

You can't look at the whole country, you have to look at Ohio, Florida, Virginia, etc. Hell, the fact North Carolina has to be taken into consideration and Texas looks to be moving purple should be enough to wake up the republican party. You can't keep pushing farther right when you're preaching to a shrinking base --the math doesn't work. What you gain in conservative turnout (which tends to be pretty good already) will be completely washed out with independents that won't vote so far right and democrats whose base will rally against the conservative ideologues.

Conservatism will have to evolve for future generations. If that sounds like nails on the chalk board, how does President Hillary Rodham Clinton sound?

[–]molldawg 1 point2 points ago

If conservatism evolves, it's not conservatism.

[–]lopez33 0 points1 point ago

Who is the Latino vote?

I really, honestly want to know the rationale behind lumping all hispanics in the US as one voting bloc. As a Mexican myself, I know my values do not align with those of Cubans, Puerto Ricans, Salvadorians, etc.

I think its interesting to note that NJ's Latino population is 86% non-mexican. http://www.pewhispanic.org/states/state/nj/

I'm just honestly curious behind the rationale here.

[–]TheSecretExitConservative -1 points0 points ago

I agree, for the most part. I don't view conservatism as an ideology that needs to change its message for each voting bloc, though. We can get any group by championing real conservatism and, as you say, being very careful about what we say. Although immigration is the elephant in the room.

[–]blatherskiterReagan Conservative 17 points18 points ago

What is with NYC? Republicans transformed it from total shithole to safest, cleanest, most prosperous city in the world.

They must have looked at what liberals did to Detroit and said, "That's what I want right there."

[–]xwhy 9 points10 points ago

Bloomberg overstayed his welcome and Lhota under campaigned. There hasn't been a D mayor elected here since 1989. The GOP had a good run.

[–]saxonjfFar-Right 1 point2 points ago

Bloomberg shouldn't be given the sobriquet of of Republican. He abandoned it fast enough. He certainly took liberal positions enough. The really sad thing is that Lhota looked like the perfect man for the job. NYCers passed up on an excellent administrator for a career politician. Methinks that the Big Apple will start to grow rotten.

Chris Christie has already began the process of trying to appear conservative, even though he's campaigned like a liberal for the past year. Let's hope that after he's done his duty to get Republicans elected to Congress in 2014, that Conservatives remember how he betrayed them as he attempts to garner the nomination.

[–]rand2012 0 points1 point ago

It will be interesting to see how crime rates are going to go, also taxes. The de Blasio character strikes me as a sociopath, but I can't blame New Yorkers for their choice; the Republican candidate didn't really give people many reasons to vote for him.

[–]CarolinaPunkEsse Quam Videri[S] -1 points0 points ago

They have forgotten what Democrats did. They have made their choice, and now they must be punished.

[–]TheSecretExitConservative 5 points6 points ago

All right, guys, NYC elected a liberal mayor. This gives us an opportunity to see and show near uncontrolled liberal policy making as it's happening. We should use NYC like we did Detroit, to show the average person what liberalism looks like in reality, and not in the flowery utopia that is claimed by them.

This is an opportunity, and it shouldn't be wasted.

[–]someotherdudeagain 0 points1 point ago

Leftists don't vote based on governance. They vote based on group solidarity (racial, cultural, union, etc). Why do you think Detroit kept on voting Dem as it was being driven into the ground?

[–]saxonjfFar-Right -2 points-1 points ago

We already have that in disasters of cities like Detroit, Memphis, Philadelphia, New Orleans, and Chicago. How many of our American cities have to become abject failures before liberals realize?

New York is supposed to be our best foot forward: the city that's the shining light for the world to see that America is the standard for the free and prosperous world, where anyone can make it. Letting it fall to Liberals destructiveness will be showing the world that the US really isn't any better. For shame.

[–]TheSecretExitConservative 0 points1 point ago

It is already inexorably destined for utter ruin, and it's much too late to stop it.

[–]BranjoeLibertarian Conservative 3 points4 points ago

According to the NYT exit poll, Christie kept Republican defections to a minimum while causing a whopping one-third of Democrats to defect and vote for him. He must be doing something right.

[–]CarolinaPunkEsse Quam Videri[S] 4 points5 points ago

In his victory Speech Christie seems to love attacking DC... not even subtle.

[–]nealski77Goldwater Conservative 3 points4 points ago

Good, a straight talk like this can help revitalize GOP discussion going forward.

[–]Slippery_Slope_GuyConservative 5 points6 points ago

Thanks a lot Sarvis.

[–]CarolinaPunkEsse Quam Videri[S] 7 points8 points ago

We have got to make sure we do Oppo on these spoiler libertarians who receive money from Democratic Money Bags. If you have to put them in a room with live boy or dead girl, so be it! I miss Lee Atawater.

[–]Slippery_Slope_GuyConservative 1 point2 points ago

Even Ron Paul (the eternal god king of Libertarians) was actively campaigning for Cuccinelli. Why couldn't Sarvis step aside?

[–]CarolinaPunkEsse Quam Videri[S] 7 points8 points ago

[–]BubbaMetzia 4 points5 points ago

Sarvis is basically a moderate Democrat who ran as a Libertarian just to get votes away from Cuccinelli so that McAuliffe could win.

[–]saxonjfFar-Right 1 point2 points ago

Virginia will suffer under Terry McAwful, and this betrayal to the principles of small government should be a reminder to Conservatives why the Libertarian party is dirty and dangerous.

It should also show members of the National Libertarian party that they are under extreme danger from being invaded by liberal interlopers who have nothing but Democratic Party interests in mind. Any libertarians reading this need to be taught that Democrats are absolutely the antithesis of small government and personal liberty. And allowing liberals to run under the guise of of libertarianism will only make government bigger and more intrusive.

[–]phdpeabody 6 points7 points ago

Sarvis didn't spoil anything. Both sides polling show that he was a "protest" vote for both candidates, not a stolen vote for either candidate.

"A strong majority of Sarvis voters say that their support of the Libertarian is a form of protest against McAuliffe and Cuccinelli. Nearly seven out of 10 (68%) agree that they are lodging a protest by supporting Sarvis, while 29% say they are not lodging a protest. And if Sarvis’ name were not on the ballot next Tuesday, where would his supporters go? More than a third (37%) say they would vote for Cuccinelli, and nearly the same amount (38%) say they would not vote. Only 17% say they would vote for McAuliffe, suggesting Sarvis is hurting Cuccinelli more than McAuliffe."

Christopher Newport University Poll

So 20% (Net gain for Cuccinelli) of 29% (Not a protest vote) of 7% (Sarvis voters)... Sarvis pulled approximate 0.4% away from Cuccinelli.. who lost by over 2%

Edit: In other words, about 8,352 more Sarvos voters would have voted for Cuccinelli had Sarvos not run. In a race that Cuccinelli lost by 44,000 votes. It would have taken 5x as many votes for Sarvos to spoil the race.

[–]saxonjfFar-Right -4 points-3 points ago

Yeah, you're probably one of those people who believe that Perot stole votes from Clinton, too.

[–]blanksblanks77 2 points3 points ago

I read a little about the CO tax scam and want to congratulate them. It was so terrible I don't even like calling it a tax hike because it was so much more than that.

Also, you're really funny. Why aren't you more active in this sub as a mod?

[–]_nate_higgers 2 points3 points ago

Haha that's true. But I think Rand is to far right for a lot of America and will be torn apart by the media.

[–]pinata_penis_pump 5 points6 points ago

At this point, any Conservative will be torn apart by the media, because you know, all conservatives are domestic terroriststs, amirite??

[–]TheSecretExitConservative 5 points6 points ago

The Republicans need to realize that the media will never like them. They need to get past that.

[–]_nate_higgers 6 points7 points ago

And the Tea Party is the KKK

[–]wartornglory 1 point2 points ago

You'd be surprised the looks I get when I say i'm conservative in college. There are some hardcore Libs that can't even have a regular conversation with me since I'm a conservative. I literally must be Hitler... a fat, midwestern hitler

[–]pinata_penis_pump 2 points3 points ago

How do you think I feel going to a liberal arts college in the Northeast?

[–]wartornglory 1 point2 points ago

Pretty similar. Small liberal arts schools are breeding grounds for libs. Surprised there aren't more conservatives since I go to a catholic school. I don't know, our College Republicans chapter is seeing a boost in participation so that's nice!

[–]pinata_penis_pump 0 points1 point ago

Yeah, there's a ton of trust fund kids that go to mine, so you'd think there would be more conservatives. Faculty are hardcore libs too.

[–]wartornglory 0 points1 point ago

Its insane. We have had 2 democrats run in for congress that are either a prof or a trustee..it's bad, especially since I'm in the most conservative district in the state

[–]wartornglory 0 points1 point ago

Its insane. We have had 2 democrats run in for congress that are either a prof or a trustee..it's bad, especially since I'm in the most conservative district in the state

[–]VanSensei 1 point2 points ago

How did the secession vote fare in Northern Colorado?

[–]HeavyCargo 1 point2 points ago

Right now, 5 yes counties and 6 nos.

[–]CarolinaPunkEsse Quam Videri[S] -1 points0 points ago

So the shutdown + the money advantage probably cost us the VA Mansion i'd say, however all it took was two weeks of Obamacare coverage to destroy a 10 pt lead, and multi million Dem advantage in the Old Dominion. Yes Democrats, if this continues to get worse, you need to prepare yourselves, cause the GOP is going in Dry.

[–]blanksblanks77 2 points3 points ago

I know right? I'm a VA resident who is kind of peeved with the government shutdown fiasco. I didn't think it at the time but this could have cost us the election. And this is despite Democrats bankrolling us and the GOP nearly ignoring an election they could have won.

[–]terrortotDavy Crockett Republican 0 points1 point ago

DeBlasio's shellacking of Whatshisname in NYC is a great example of what happens when you run as a Fiscally Conservative Social Liberal -- you lose by a huge margin and people don't even remember your name.

[–]Slippery_Slope_GuyConservative -2 points-1 points ago

We've all known for weeks De Blasio was going to win, but it still boggles my mind that NYC would elect a Communist mayor after all of the success of Rudy and Bloomberg (full disclosure: I hate Bloomberg's nanny state crap).

[–]terrortotDavy Crockett Republican -2 points-1 points ago

Turnout was really low. The GOP candidate ran a weak campaign and refused to shake things up. Voters weren't paying attention.

[–]BoneMD 1 point2 points ago

To all those who wouldn't vote for Christie for not being "conservative enough," I really hope this makes you reconsider. People like Cruz cannot win the general election. Period. So, if you think Christie is a RINO or whatever, just ask yourself, is Hilary Clinton better? Because, that's who you're voting for if you vote against Christie. He's the only one who actually has a chance. A vote for anyone other than Christie in the primary is a vote for Hilary Clinton.

[–]Old-HickoryConservative -2 points-1 points ago

looking at the front page or /r/politics is bizarre. Are we sure there were two gubernatorial elections today?