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[–]keraneuology -12 points-11 points ago

It wouldn't be as bad if they were only scanning for keywords to target ads - do that, yeah, whatever.

But they were just caught following links within those emails. That crosses a line.

[–]occamstaser 5 points6 points ago

What line? Your data is their product. Why do you think it's free?

from https://www.google.com/about/company/

"Google’s mission is to organize the world’s information and make it universally accessible and useful."

What you haven't realized is that the "data" is the stuff you input into their products. They own it, they will use it as they see fit. At the end of the day you either trust Google to "don't be evil" or you don't. Privacy has been and always will take a back seat to their mission.

I say this as someone who does trust Google.

[–]Klathmon 1 point2 points ago

That's part of the spam filtering system.

If those links go to known spam/phishing sites then google has another way to mark the email as spam, giving it the edge over a competitor that does not do that.

Additionally, nobody at google can casually scroll through your emails, these are automated systems doing this, and matching them against databases of stuff. If you have a problem with this then you should stop using all email alltogether.

Want to know something scary? Without Google "following links" in the headers of emails, they would have no way of verifying who actually sent that email. So if Google gets forced into not being able to do this, i could just start attaching any address i want to outgoing emails, and you would have no way of knowing.

I hope you know how to trace the route back to see if it's actually legitimate, and don't mind doing that very long and tedious process for EVERY single email.

[–]keraneuology -3 points-2 points ago

They weren't following the links in the headers, they were following links in the body of the email. You can scan the headers all you like, my problem is with clicking on links in the body which is an interaction not a scan.

[–]occamstaser 1 point2 points ago

I think the point he is making that if someone is sending you links to spam sites, Google wants to prevent that and the only way they know if it is a spam site is if they analyze it by going there.

[–]Klathmon 1 point2 points ago

Once again, nobody is "clicking" links. A computer is reading the URL's, then getting the headers and following redirects on those pages to determine if they go somewhere nefarious so that Google can warn you if something seems "phishy"...

Not only that, but Gmail has an option to automatically turn text links into URL's and it needs to verify that the text it thinks is a URL is actually a URL. The best way to do that is to send a ping and see if you get a response.

Finally, it's been shown in multiple court cases and in multiple countries that if a URL is public facing, with no authentication measures on it, then it is considered PUBLIC!

If i can type a URL into my address bar, you can't sue me for doing it. These laws are the same for Google.

If you don't want anyone going to your URL, don't send it. And if you need secure information, put it behind a login system, not just a random URL.

[–]RugerRedhawk 4 points5 points ago

So use another free email provider, or host your own. I don't give a shit and I like their interface.

[–]Atroxide 1 point2 points ago

You missed the point of the lawsuit. its not gmail users filing the lawsuit, its people who don't use gmail filing the lawsuit because despite not agreeing to google's terms of service, google is still scanning their emails when they send mail to someone who does use gmail.

(Not a good reason, but just pointing the flaw in your logic, i do agree google should be able to do this)

[–]RugerRedhawk 1 point2 points ago

Good distinction I didn't notice.